Bolton Sometimes
5:28 Wed Aug 28
Re: Bury Football Club
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Chinkey Weasel 1:58 Wed Aug 28
Its grim mate, grim I tell thee
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paulon
5:24 Wed Aug 28
Re: Bury Football Club
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lets be honest, not many on here will give them a second thought in a months time
they'll be back like Newport, Aldershot etc
like I said earlier, maybe their fans should have been asking questions 12 months ago when they pissing the league with strikers on £8/9k a week on gates of 4k
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Justin P
4:42 Wed Aug 28
Re: Bury Football Club
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First of all:
If I suspect what will happen, happens, that shitcunt, Steve Dale bought the club for £1 knowing the real value of the land that Bury FC stood on to housing developers, he has no interest in Bury FC but is a fat greedy cunt who wants to make serious money knowing that if the club went of out buisness and putting himself as a creditor to the tune of 1 million that he would get it!
Housing developers are a bunch of nasty cunts, i've dealt with some!, and i'm sure thats the bigger picture here!
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Mr Anon
3:26 Wed Aug 28
Re: Bury Football Club
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Sky sports are showing a "deadline day" countdown clock to Bolton going out of business! Seems crass even for them
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Chinkey Weasel
1:58 Wed Aug 28
Re: Bury Football Club
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I want to know what BoltonAlways has to say about it all...
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WHU(Exeter)
1:47 Wed Aug 28
Re: Bury Football Club
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Bolton used to take great delight in taking the piss out of Bury (despite the latter being 3 divisions below them), twisting their nickname to 'The bucket shakers' because of the club and their fans reliance on needing to raise funds regularly to keep the wheels turning.
Would've been hugely ironic yesterday if the result for the two clubs had been the other way round.
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Jim79
1:43 Wed Aug 28
Re: Bury Football Club
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Certainly the EFL needs to look at how they substantiate who can or cannot own a football club. The knock on effect to local communities and economies is unlike any other industry and should in some way be protected. Whether that be that the league in some way take ownership of a club in these sort of circumstances in an almost ‘nationalisation’ way when they fall in to trouble to allow them to at least carry on in existence.
The punishment should fall at the feet of the board of directors and the owners and should be much more harsh on them rather than punishing the team/club/supporters who currently get the shitty end of the stick. Can’t pay your staff or bills for more than 2 months you instantly lose your ownership stake and job as directors and the club is appropriated by the league who then appoint a board and have the option to sell the club at whatever point they feel is best and the proceeds go back in to a war chest to help fund the costs of bailing out the next club that falls in to trouble and if that means the previous owners and directors lose out, tough shit.
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Worst Case Ontario
1:24 Wed Aug 28
Re: Bury Football Club
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Mike Oxsaw 12:32 Wed Aug 28
In Canada (or Ontario anyway) you aren't able to sell off chunks of land like without permission, precisely to avoid such a situation.
I am surprised it is allowed in England, where land / land use is at such a greater premium than it is in Canada (where there is more land, obviously).
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Mike Oxsaw
12:32 Wed Aug 28
Re: Bury Football Club
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Many of these clubs are on land that has vastly increased in value since their inception.
Most were literally at the heart of their community (of supporters).
Population growth and the demand for housing has made that land very attractive (to speculators) who literally can have a free run at getting their hands on it.
Doing what happened at Chelsea may be the way forward - the pitch is divided up into areas of a square foot then the deeds to each sold/given to local supporters, with a one-per-person/company limit.
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Moncurs Putting Iron
12:18 Wed Aug 28
Re: Bury Football Club
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Owner of Bury was vermin who had no interest in the Town, the club or the Sport. Admitted as much in an interview with Five Live this morning.
Got to feel for them.
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Mike Oxsaw
12:08 Wed Aug 28
Re: Bury Football Club
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Nothing lasts forever. Sad, bit that's the way things work.
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Northern Sold
12:08 Wed Aug 28
Re: Bury Football Club
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Will be the first of many... football is too top heavy and getting worse... horrible state of affairs
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Northern Sold
12:08 Wed Aug 28
Re: Bury Football Club
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Will be the first of many... football is too top heavy and getting worse... horrible state of affairs
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Block
11:58 Wed Aug 28
Re: Bury Football Club
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Johnson 11:04 Wed Aug 28
Didn't the likes of Scholes, Neville brothers save Salford? I know they're heavily invested in them but not sure if that was because the club were in financial trouble.
You could also argue many EX players end up spunking their money and end up broke should/could invest in their "local" clubs like the United boys have done.
The fact is, the Football League are to blame for this - piss poor substantiation of clubs owners, and allowing clubs to go into financial meltdown. It should be their obligation IMO to save these sorts of clubs or soon we're only going to be left with the "bigger" clubs.
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Mike Oxsaw
11:54 Wed Aug 28
Re: Bury Football Club
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The requirements on club owners are either far too lax or, for some reason (brown envelopes?) not applied in any seriousness.
There is a case for a football club having local roots being classed as a special kind of business, so long as it doesn't encourage the creation of entities like "Spongetown Athletic" & "Poncetown Rovers". Clubs with a global reach (Yes, you, Big 6) would excempt themselve from this by dint of their balance sheet & cash flow.
I suspect that, becaue the leagues are "Associations" rather than true businesses, they have effectively ring-fenced themselves from individual club activities and when a club folds, the only thing that need bother them is the fixtures schedule.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
11:42 Wed Aug 28
Re: Bury Football Club
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Bury are a bit of a special case, I think. It wasn't a case of financial mismanagement at all, but a case of an unscrupulous asset-stripper trying to fleece the creditors at the expense of the club's future.
As far as I can see ( and I haven't looked up the precise numbers), He bought the club for a quid when it owed millions. He then disappeared three quarters of that debt by way of a CVA, deliberately over-invested in wages in the hope (realised) of getting a promotion and increasing the saleability of the club, and then tried to sell it for considerably more than the quid he bought it for.
The man was a total cunt and I have every sympathy for the Bury fans.
Bolton's is more your bog-standard bad management.
Or that could all be wrong, of course.
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BRANDED
11:38 Wed Aug 28
Re: Bury Football Club
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They weren’t cheated. They remain in fucking business.
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Sven Roeder
11:37 Wed Aug 28
Re: Bury Football Club
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Bury spent money they didn’t have to get promoted.
Which means another League 2 team playing by the rules got cheated out of promotion.
Still finding it hard to feel sorry for Bolton
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Pagey
11:29 Wed Aug 28
Re: Bury Football Club
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If the owners of the club are chasing the big money by stretching themselves too far then that’s down to the owners and poor management of the club!
Plenty of other clubs are doing fine as they’re being sensible and being managed properly.
It’s sad for the likes of Bury and Bolton but it’s also pretty much their own doing. Especially if they’re spending money they haven’t got. I’m not sure how that can be argued against?
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dicksie3
11:27 Wed Aug 28
Re: Bury Football Club
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How can you call yourself a West Ham United fan without knowing how many times that we’ve won the FA Cup?!
3 times! 1964, 1975, 1980.
Yeah, Bury and Bolton Wanderers, especially, have fine old history but they can only blame themselves for the shit they’re in. They’ve not done anything much for the past 60+ years anyway.
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,
11:23 Wed Aug 28
Re: Bury Football Club
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We know exactly what the lifelong Bury fans will do and that is re form the club and run it as a fans owned entity sometimes somewhere else.
It’s been done before and clubs like Maidstone, Accrington, Darlington etc still exist and are run in a more sustainable way. And sustainability is the key. Outside of the league clubs fold and re emerge with regularity. Mostly it’s fans owned entirely but sometimes it’s a combination of fans and a local benefactor.
Bury bought their way to promotion last season but at an unsustainable cost.
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